Focus on tablet and touchscreen features
Better scrolling and program control with touchscreen gestures. Especially in reading mode the interface is difficult to use with a touchscreen. I want to be able to use Logos like my e-reader.
Logos 5 supports touch gestures for scrolling and turning pages (on Windows).
Joshua Coady commented
Started with v4, now on v8 and I use logos almost exclusively on my surface pro. The handwriting panel used to be able to be used to write in a variety of text fields, but it no longer works for notes and some other places (and hasnt worked for a year or 2). I was really hoping that v8 would fix this, but just upgraded and it still doesnt work. I also have some difficulty doing things like resizing windows (like the library list) because the touch target is so small you have to be very precise about where you hit it. Same deal with scrolling. Also, the extra symbols on the keyboard dont work (anything that isnt on a regular keyboard).
Playing around with it for about an hour, I found these very basic, presumably easy to fix quirks/bugs.
- Handwriting input panel doesn't work in notes (but does in prayer lists)
- Dragging does not select text in prayer lists (but does in notes)
- In home screen, dragging selects rather than scrolls
- In a Bible, dragging scrolls rather than selecting texts
- In Program Settings, dragging neither scrolls nor selects texts, and if you drag the slider bar, the page scrolls in reverse of how it scrolls if you grab the same slider bar with the mouse! You really have to try this one to believe it.
A word to the developers - with touch, dragging up/down should scroll, whereas dragging left/right should select text. That works flawlessly in TheWord Bible software.
I am also curious to know what improvements have been done on Logos 8, since there is no Logos 8 demo version.
William Dupps commented
Has anyone read of any touch-related improvements in Verbum/Logos 8? I would be very hesitant to upgrade if touch has still been left out of the development pathway. Anyone from Logos care to inform the group on this?
I just demo'ed Logos 7 on my Surface Pro 4.
I was astounded to find that I could not add a user note using the Windows Handwriting Panel. The handwriting panel is built into Windows and works exactly like a keyboard. It works on every single application I have ever used... except Logos. I believe this to be more of a bug than an improvement - Logos should not even care whether the letters came from a physical keyboard or the handwriting panel. Windows did all the work, and something in Logos is blocking it!
But, as mentioned, several other things make for a very bad touch experience. Scrolling by touch is sometimes laggy, sometimes aggressive, and sometimes seemingly nonexistent. Also, I can barely open a resource in touch. I can't just click on it - I have to click and hold to get the right click menu. Half the time I don't even get a right click menu - I just get information about the book. Many things aren't enabled to treat a touch as a click. So I tap on a window (x) to close it, but it doesn't register as a click. Also, the behavior seems to vary between different parts of Logos.
I'm using Logos 7 and still having trouble using it with my Surface Go device as a tablet. For example, scrolling through the resource library is awkward using touch (specifically with keyboard detached in portrait mode).
Touch mode is not only about taking notes using a pen (as noted in another post), but more importantly all UI controls must accommodate touch UX -- meaning the software cannot always rely on the scrollbar to scroll contents.
This is an essential feature and is a blocker for making a purchase.
I concur wit the need for Logos 8 to have better WIndows 10 compatibility, specifically touch screen features. A simple drop down menu of Bible books, chapters and verses like in most tablet and phone apps would be a good start. Note taking with a pen would be awesome. I take most of my sermon notes with Onenote on my Surface Pro 3. I use another Bible program just so I can touch to switch t verse as the Preacher moves through the Bible.
Logos needs to incorporate windows pen their note taking system is just plain awful
I add my support for better tablet/touchscreen support.
my prayer is Logos Support is touched too.
May God bless them with the means.
Bokman Han commented
Try 'Read' button. I found it works little better with touch screen tablet.
Brian Haddock commented
Just bought a Windows 10 Samsung tablet and found that Logos works horribly on a Windows touchscreen device. Highlighting text is very difficult as are all other functions that require traditional "clicking". And no dark mode for reading?
Just bought a Surface Pro since my IPAD did not have all the LOGOS features and now I learn that you still cannot use touchscreens. Please respond to the threads and provide feedback on any development. Thanks for providing a valuable tool like LOGOS, now please help us use it.
I wholeheartedly agree with the comments about touch support for Windows 10 tablets and PCs, such as the Surface Pro or Surface Book. I run Logos on a Surface Pro 4, and it's very frustrating that most of the UI doesn't work properly with touch. Windows 10 has been out for over 2 years now, and with every update, I lament the lack of touch support.
Touch capability and stylus use is critical for use with a tablet. I have over 4000 books in Logos and would like an easier way to read them. A tablet is by far the best way to read books, as opposed to study the Bible (which is better done on a laptop or desktop). A simple swipe to highlight would be helpful too.
William Dupps commented
Please put some resources into developing a premium (or even workable) touch and pen experience for WIndows 10 tablets/touch screen PCs. Navigation and reading/browsing could be so much better than the current experience. These devices are here to stay and the one part of the Verbum experience that makes me hesitate to recommend it to others is the massive gap in this area. Thank you, and please consider posting a response. The last official comment from Logos was in 2014!
I find it horrific I just placed 3 votes on a topic that was shared in 2010... Come on Faithlife or Logos whomever is in control of the development roadmap. Windows 10 touch devices are all over the place. At least update the app where the reading experience is superior to clicking a right or left arrow as your best hope of turning the page...
Bud Leavell commented
I cannot imagine that Logos 7 is not compatible with tablet mode on a windows 10PC. You do not develop a mobile app for the MS Surface since it is a full blown windows computer, but it really only works in laptop mode with the keyboard and mouse. Wouldn't it be nice if this software actually supported Windows 10 (it really appears to be a windows 7 application), in all modes. That would include having the ability to use a pen with ink, not just using the pen like a mouse. Highlighting is ok, but I would love to be able to underline as well.
I cast 3 votes just now.
I bought a windows tablet recently specifically to be my logos machine since the ipad version doesn't work in the ways I want (word lookups) if no internet connection.
I'm sad that even clicking on a guide in the guide menu doesn't seem to work.
Logos is so awesome that I was certain it was something I'm doing wrong.
I sit often on a bus in 3rd world country with little legroom so not really feasible for me to put the 2-in-1 in laptop mode. I hope these features will come quickly. even if no fancy gestures just basic touch functionality i.e. selections work, note taking works, virtual keyboard pops up on command entry or other text entry boxes.
Is 3 the max votes we can cast?
Actually it astounds me that LOGOS is so inadequate in this area. I would put all ten votes into this category. I am looking to purchase a windows tablet (surface) just for the purpose of having a "LOGOS Tablet". An iPad or Android device does not have the full function of a real OS, and Apple does not make a Mac tablet, but windows tablets are common. So make LOGOS work with the touch screen interface, don't force me to have a keyboard.
brent hoefling commented
When will LOGOS allow for real multi touch capabilities. seriously, I have been asking this since the late 90's when I got my first "Bible" (read as tablet PC with touch/pen interface)? we are in a new century, and even a new millennium!